Tell me of a doctor who know what causes gout,or has cured someone
I will shut up.Your body has lost the ability to excrete excess uricacid.Maybe it is a detox issue . Liver and kidneys not functioningproperly. Why are you guys so bitter. I tell of something that worksfor me and try to pass on the info.I get slammed and ridiculed.Ifyou want me to leave the group I will.You should be glad for me Ihope you find your cure
Terrance Molock on October 7th, 2007
YO FRIEND..NOBODY wants you to go away!!..I don’t think you havebeen slammed/ridiculed..there are PLENTY!!C of GREAT!! people here..
Just that I/we have seen this scenario played out..A LOT of ushave done it.AGAIN! if it works for you..GREAT!..if it keepsworking..GREAT!..IMAGINE how the first people who “tried”allopurinol felt..
In terms of the body “losing” the ability to excrete excess uricacid..as a cause for gout.This very idea is losing hold.Tests showpeople with MASSIVE! amounts of uric acid and thecontinued/undiminished ability to excrete it.Other tests show uricacid being excreted properly..PERFECT TESTS!(Like mine)..but itsimply is not known how/why the uric acid gets into the jointfluid..you would think that the more uric acid the geater the chanceof gout.Not true.Most people with gout now are just averagepeople.Matter of fact almost all people with excess uric acid NEVERdevelop gout.I have never had even above average levels of uricacid.How so much ever got into my joints is a mystery.
“Losing” the ability..well..they THINK now that gout starts inpuberty in males..whatever happens they don’t know.In some cases itcan take 30 years for the concentration of uric acid to reach thesaturation point in a joint.
Detox/liver etc., is a worn out horse with gout.The stuff is/hasgotten into the joints.
Linette Rollind on October 8th, 2007
Ok then truce .When you were having an attack ,although I never triedallopurinol, dont you feel the uric acid crystals in the veinsbefore the capillaries , foot starts to swell my body is telling mybrain hey get something down here brain sends out the big gunswhite blood cells start attacking the joint .I start eatingcolchicine like crazy, It swells like it is about to pop and over thenext hours or days I can feel it working its way back up myleg .When I finally get relief I feel achy as hell. Back of my armsfeel like torn muscles.Stomach cramps like a mofo.My daughter hasbeen diagnosed with Autism mild to moderate.Thimerosal is mercurythat is in all the vaccines we have all had and is on the rise alongwith ADD ADHD and other learning and social disabilities.I read todaythere is a connection with Autism cases and gout .And Im starting tobelieve that there is a connection with a mild body poisoning,andwhatever breaks down the uric acid so it can be passed out the bodyis shut down. i have never had my uric acid results Ive pissed andits been checked but always working and thought my doctor would tellme if it was abnormal. Never had a spike shoved into a swollen jointto look at the crystals under a microscope . I know they are there.But it is my understanding after the attack is over no crystalsremain to be seen ,, I read that somewhere
Terrance Molock on October 8th, 2007
Uric acid “crystals” in veins and capillaries.No.The crystalsalmost always form FIRST in the joint/synovial fluid.THEN thesynovial tissue..Later stages they can and do form in the ear lobesetc.,
White blood cells attack the crystal.Surrounding it forming aphagocyte.This actually has a cushion.It is unclear whether thephagocyte first bursts..re-xposing the crystal..THEN additonal whiteblood cells attack the chemical released from the phagocyte..and THISnew mess is shoved against the joint with the needle like shard ofthe crystal being forced under pressure into the joint lining.
“Body poisoning”,uric acid breakdown and passing..the actualreasons for the attack in the first place,the white blood cell attackon the crystal..it is thought by some that this doesn’t occur UNTILpart of the protein coating on the crystal gets stripped awaychemically somehow.Indeed there have been crystals with noattack.This kind of stuff is simply WAY,WAY too complicated..andFRAUGHT with inconsistencies..NOBODY can agree on this! BUT there cannot be an attack without crystals.And the crystalsresult from too much uric acid that has gotten into the joints..how?Not known.SOoo the focus is on lowerring the level of uric acid inthe joints..by first taking some out of the blood.By controlling theproduction of it.
“After” the attack is over..
Crystals have been found in the joint fluid.No attack.Crystalshave been found safely engulfed in a phagocyte(s).No attack.Crystalshave been found partially decomposed in tophi.No attack.Attacks havebeen set off by needles.Disturbing.
It is not so much the actual attack/crystals..it is the excessuric acid in the joint fluid..in the tissue surrounding the joint..inthe area of the interstitial membrane..wherein it crosses from thebloodstream into the synovial tissue and then into the jointfluid.ALL this uric acid is simply waiting for more of it’sbuddies..more uric acid to add to the pot..THEN it can reach asaturation point and crystalize out again..
Yes I am WELL aware of the ideology of snake oils that “dissolve”the uric acid crystals..uric acid crystals are REAL TOUGH!They “dissolve” when they get warmed,circulated and eventually findthemselves in an inhospitable environment for crystals.LESS AND LESSuric acid.It is not known whether the white blood cells..or any otherchemcials play an actual role in their decomposition/dissolving.
They don’t even know how the uric acid crystals,decomposing..tophiand white blood cells..can literally eat away atjoints,bones..REPLACING the bone with this mess..UNABLE to be pickedup on x-ray UNTILL there is a hole..erosion THROUGH the bone.OFTEN bythe time they actually see the tophi on an x-ray it is not so muchthe actual tophi they see but the absence of bone density.
I have had such SAVAGE attacks..ALTERNATING in the blink of an eyefrom one foot to the other..INSTANT MAMMOTH SWELLING..INSTANTRELIEF..back and forth.This was explained as my bodies simplyinsufficent white blood cell production(which is excellent andhigh..attack time)..to deal with this much uric acidcrystalization/recognition.I have had a self/perpetuatingattack..whereupon there is simply so much cell death in the area thatthe uric acid from this breakdown of mess is simply adding MORE uricacid to the mixture to be crystalized.I was under this attack..AND ONmaximum colchicne and indomethicine for 3 months.Off the dope for 12hrs..back to the attack.
Glad ya didn’t leave in a huff..